How to fly your drone near to People & Property – (TAKING CONTROL) | Mr MPW
Everyone, its Matt Williams, mr. mpw, and welcome to today’s. Drone expert secrets, video in today’s. Video. We’re, going to look at how we place persons, vessels vehicles and structures under our control, everyone, its Matt Williams.
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Video so got a question over the weekend, which I think came from one of the forums where there was a conversation about placing things and people under your control. In particular, this referred to placing structures under your control and whether you would then need an OSC or not.
Now there are some people out there who seemed to be adamant that you don’t need an OSC ever and well. There are often ways around having an OSC and operating safety case in it generally always comes down to control.
If you can control everything within 20 meters or 10 meters or 30 meters of where you’re, going to operate and genuinely control them, then you don ‘ T necessarily need to have an OSC in place, but the the time and the place where the OSC really starts to shine.
The reason that we always used to operate under an OSC was actually not necessarily to allow us to do anything crazier than anybody else. It just made things simpler because we didn’t have to necessarily control formally control the person’s, vessels vehicles and Stroke in within that 50 meter bubble or the 30 meter column.
We could reduce that bubble size down. We could reduce that column size down to, in some cases a 5 meter column and a kind of 5 meter bubble, which meant we could do lots of different things. So the RC is a really helpful vehicle for you.
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So, anyway, moving on the OSC side of things, placing things under your control now this is something that’s been a bit of a bone of contention for a long time, pretty much since we started the drone thing with the permission for aerial work And now the permission for commercial operations and I’m sure it will be moving forwards with the operational authorization as it will be in mid 2020.
If we change regulations now, then what the CIA used to do was. They said inside cap 7 to 2, which is our guidance document, and this is another one. I’ll. Do a video on this properly it’s called our guidance document, but it’s actually part of your PFC.
Oh, you have to abide by the a navigation order and the cap 7 to 2. So, although it’s guidance, you can’t, be leaving it out of your operations manual and then ignoring it. This is how to abide by the regulations in the cap 72.
On pages 39 and 40. This I used to tell us how we couldn’t control people which was useful. Actually, if you understood the context, but if you looked at it kind of straight in fresh without any context to it, you’d, say well.
They’re, not telling me how I can control people. So I’m just going to assume that I ‘ Ve got control of people by doing certain things now what the ciri have done, because we’re, getting more and more kind of people coming into the industry and an increasing percentage of those people don’t necessarily have an aviation background.
They don’t, necessarily understand the context and the meaning and the greater kind of order of the a navigation order, the greater meaning of the a navigation – or, I should say what they’ve done now, is in the new version of The cap 7 ok version 7.
3, as it is at the moment, but it’s, been in since version 7 on pages 48 and 49 of the cap 72. It’s raining today, as I do this video. So if you’ve got a rainy day, go and read the cap 7. If you haven’t done so already.
I ‘ Ll drop a link to that down in the video description. If you don’t know where to find it, then there’s, no excuse. It should be reference in your ops manual anyway. So go and read: the cap sent it to page 48 and 49, and it now tells you, the CAA, tell you how you can assume control.
They also leave in they’ve left in the bit about what you can’t do to assume control, but there are some guidelines in there now, which is really important, so working our way through those the first one is: when can People be assumed to be under the command of the person in charge of the aircraft, and generally I’m.
Sorry, I’ll. Take a step back. People need to be under the command of the person in charge. The aircraft for us to be able to a fly as close as we want to them within the bounds of our risk assessment and our insurance, but what we need to do is physically have them under our control and those kind of people are.
It says in the cap 72 people like those required to be on a film set to produce the film. Ok, those people who are required for the production, those people who are required for the operation of the aircraft.
But we still need to get those people under our control, so in that case and the way we’ve always done it the way you would need to do it, you still need to ensure that they will respond to any direction from the flight Crew and they will respond appropriately, 20 emergencies and they’ve got the opportunity to move out of the way.
If something goes wrong, you do the you know more or the conch-shell or whatever it is you’ve said you’re gonna, do to get their attention and tell them something’s gone wrong with the aircraft. You need to be able to brief them and they need to be able to move out of the way and the way we’ve always done.
That is that the crew call we ‘ Ve got everyone who’s, going to be within the radius. The operating radius of the aircraft within the 50 meter bubble now in particular, and we’ve, always done it with pretty much everyone on set at the cast and crew call.
We’ve got everyone together, and we said right. We just need 30 seconds of your time. We’re gonna be flying a drone. It could be dangerous. This is what we’re going to share, or we’re gonna an airhorn will hold, will hold it down for a long blast if something goes wrong and our spotter would do that, we always operate as a minimum of three Crew, the remote pilot, the camera operator and then an observer, slash spotter, to help out with things like that.
If you hear that long blast make sure you find the aircraft in the sky and get out of the way as we may not have control of it and then once it’s landed or but once it’s landed, we’ll do a long blast, and then you know that you’re safe and you can carry on it’s.
Something like that that you need to say so that people know what to do if and when things haven’t really go wrong, so that’s about getting people under your control on something like a closed set, which is generally fairly Straightforward then, we move on to in a kind of an area where we wouldn’t be in an enclosed set, and that really is when you know, if it’s, members of the public, for example, we have to abide by the 50-Meter rule, if you’re operating under a PFC, Oh in particular, so that you don’t, let anyone infringe that fifty meter bubble.
If you aren’t operating under a PFC, oh then you shouldn’t. Really be within a congested area anyway, there shouldn’t, be people around still need to stick to that not get in within 50 meters or any person vessel vehicle or structure.
Though then we’re into, and I think this is the one where there kind of controversy starts. This is where people get confused a little bit or they say they get confused. I don’t know whether people do or whether they’re, just saying it so that they can plead ignorance, ignorance, isn’t an excuse because you have a permission which says you need to be aware of the rules And regulations and you need to have people under your control, so the next one is when you are at an open air event for exam or something like we’ve, seen tough mudders and those kind of events where we can’t Necessarily, I would suggest get people under our control and what people have always said is well.
You know I’ll, abide by the regulations, it ‘ Ll, be final. Everyone know by email we’ll, put it on the tickets. We’ll, put signs up. Actually you can’t do that. That is now explicitly written into the cap.
7 to 2. It’s actually always been in the cap 72, but I think a lot of people ignored, pages 39 or 40 of the previous versions of the cap. 72. It’s actually in there now, it physically says down in one of the examples on page 48 or 49 amaya 39 and it’s 39 or 40 in the old version.
The cap 72 its pages 48 and 49 in the new version of the cap, something to do just to get that right again. I’ll. Put that down in the description below yeah page 48. 49. It’s got the example now which says that you can’t just put it on a ticket.
You can’t use a public address system. You can’t use an email, you can’t just put signs up, you physically have to tell people, and then they have to be able to get out of the way they also can’t, be kind of prejudiced Against if they say that they don’t want the drone there, they still have to be allowed to conduct the event.
They still have to be allowed to run the same course. So I think that makes things quite straightforward, quite clear. It’s about genuinely controlling people so that they can and will move out of the way.
If there is a problem, if they can’t or they’re, not willing to be under your control and you can’t fly there, you have to find a way of maintaining the appropriate separation distance. Bear in mind. As if there’s, a thousand people or more – and I organized open-air events – you’ve now got to stay a hundred and fifty meters away from them: okay, not just 250 meters, so that’s.
The kind of event scenario, if you like, then we’re down into things like vehicles and vessels, so cars, boats, aeroplanes, we see, do see some air-to-air stuff particular drawing take off and London and it looks so cool when people do that and they Do it safely and they do it properly? You need to have a conversation between whoever’s driving the car, whoever’s operating the boat, whoever’s flying the aircraft.
There needs to be a brief. We call it, but it’s, just a conversation to say this is what we to do. This is how we’re, going to do it, and I need your permission to place you under my control so that you will take directions from me and or I can take direction from you, potentially as the captain of the vessel.
The driver of the car, the captain of the aircraft and we can take directions from each other so that you can be under my control and we can deconflict and I think that’s. The most important thing. So you have to have permission from whoever’s operating that vessel or vehicle, and you need to have had a brief again.
It’s, written in pages 48 and 49 of the cap, 7 to 2. So make sure you read that and be aware of it now, the big one – and this is the one where we’ve, seen in the forums people talking about OSC’s, the operating safety cases and the fact that oh yeah, you Can just crack on and it comes down to structures and buildings.
Now what we’ve seen is that people are saying well, if I’m taking off next to a block of flats, for example, and I’m, trying to do a roof survey, or I’m trying To take off near to a block of flats, to look in another direction, and I can’t get the 50 meters away.
Is it enough to just get permission from the person who controls the building? Is it enough to get permission from the lessee of the building or the building manager or whatever it may be? Now, in some cases, for example, if it’s, a commercial building that may be appropriate if they are able to control entry and exit from the building, if, if for the five or ten minutes you’re airborne, you can have a Conversation with the landlord of that property or the the owner or the controller of that property and say for the five minutes we’re airborne.
We need security to just keep everyone from coming in all right. Unless there’s, a fire or an emergency and then obviously we’ll have a. We can have a signal, get the content sell out again, whatever it may be, and have a signal so that we will land the aircraft.
And then everyone can come out that that needs to be said as well, but if it’s, a private building or a tenancy building generally like if someone, if it’s, a block of flats, for example, where there’S no real control of entry and exit it’s, not a commercial building.
So if it’s residential, I guess is what I’m saying: if it’s residential and you can’t control that building, then you cannot fly within 50 meters of it. Okay – and this is actually now laid down in the cap 7 to 2 – and I am gonna read this part out verbatim, because there are two parts to it, which are really interesting and would stop you from doing this.
Whole are ya, just take off any. What be fine, oh yeah, as long as you can control the building? No, you need to know what the Syria saying, because if something goes wrong, you’re gonna be liable. You’re, not gonna be insured.
You won’t be covered by the CIA and, if heaven forbid, you hurt someone, it’s on you, okay, so in the cap 72 from version 7 onwards, it now says that a structure could be said to be under the control Of a person if the following two statements are met, the owner or other person with an interest in the structure such as Alesi, has granted permission for a UAS to operate within 50 metres of that structure and any occupants of the structure are under the control of The remote pilot – and I think it’s – that second kind of part of the you know.
The second point in the paragraph, which is the most important for people to understand. Yes, you might have permission from whoever owns or runs the building to be within 50 meters of the structure. However, particularly when it’s, a residential property, any occupants of the structure need to be under the control of the remote pilot.
Therefore, you cannot operate within 50 meters of a structure unless everyone within it is under your control. Okay and controllers, now defined as being able to move out of the way upon certain commands and allowing you the opportunity to direct them and control them.
So hopefully, that makes everything fairly clear. Please have a read of those extracts from the cap 7 to 2. I will pop a link to them and the pages that you need to see in case. I did get them wrong in the video we never go back and reshoot stuff.
I’m afraid, but I may have got that wrong because I’ve not got any notes or anything and it’s very, very early. In the morning so yeah I’ll pop all of that down in the notes below in the description. If you’ve got any questions or comments.
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The CA have firmed it up in the new version of the cap 7 to 2. I hope that was useful. Either Matt Williams fly safe and blue skies.